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Why the hardest part of AI transformation has nothing to do with AI.

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Rory Sutherland, David Johns & Matthew Byrne

THE TRUST GAP

The same AI rollout tells two very different stories.

Most AI strategies fail in the space between what leaders intend and what people experience. Massive consequences.

What leaders think they’re rolling out

Productivity gains

Faster/Better service

Operational efficiency

Cost Savings

Competitive advantage

What employees & customers may hear

Am I being replaced?

Am I talking to a robot?

Does this company still care?

Are people still part of the plan?

Can I trust what happens next?

WHAT WE'LL UNPACK LIVE

Six things most leaders are getting wrong

01

The behavioural bottleneck

Why AI transformation stalls when leaders focus on tools but underestimate human response.

02

The speed trap

The risk isn't that the AI won't work. The risk is that it will and the humans operating it won't be ready.

03

The permission problem

Why compliance is not the same as trust and why people need more than a rollout plan.

04

The silence tax

What leaders don't say about AI is being interpreted by employees anyway and rarely in the organisation's favour.

05

The psychology of adoption

People don't resist change because they're difficult. They resist when the story doesn't make sense.

06

Bringing people with you

Why transformation succeeds only when people feel part of the future, not subjected to it.

SPEAKERS

A live discussion with two leading voices.

Together, they’ll unpack why adoption won’t be won by the companies with the best tools, but by the leaders who understand people.

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Rory Sutherland

Vice Chairman, Ogilvy | Author, Alchemy | Wikiman, The Specator | Chief Evangelist, meetmagic

Rory Sutherland is one of the world's leading voices on behavioural science, marketing, and human decision-making. Known for challenging conventional business logic, Rory brings a sharp, often unexpected lens to why people behave the way they do and why rational strategies often fail in irrational human systems.

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Matthew Byrne

Adjunct Faculty Member & Program Director | UNSW Australian Graduate School of Management

Matthew Byrne brings deep expertise in leadership, organisational behaviour, He was asked to write a white-paper for the Australian productivity commission to identify the human implications of AI transformation. His work explores how businesses can navigate AI adoption in ways that account for people, trust, change, and the real-world complexity leaders often underestimate.

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Guiding The Conversation

MODERATOR

David Johns

David Johns

Director

Director

AI & Technology Commercial Strategy - UAE

AI & Technology Commercial Strategy - UAE

HOST

Carl Gough

Carl Gough

Founder & CEO

Founder & CEO

meetmagic

meetmagic

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For leaders responsible for bringing people with them.

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What they said after

I love that! Bringing practical application that help business keep the two connected is key!

Fantastic topic, and extremely relevant right now. I'm very much looking forward to Rory's take on this.

Great topic worth attention, Human creating AI is leaving Human aspect out of equation.

I love that! Bringing practical application that help business keep the two connected is key!

Fantastic topic, and extremely relevant right now. I'm very much looking forward to Rory's take on this.

Great topic worth attention, Human creating AI is leaving Human aspect out of equation.

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